The plant is at the request of David Isherwood.

Two new pieces of news:

1)  the first payment from the Trust has been received by the Diocese.

Payments are trickling through to the Diocese from Trust churches supporting other Trust churches.

2)  others, in other Dioceses, are interested in forming similar Trusts,

because of the disillusionment with Diocesan quota schemes.

That is all I know for now. 

Thanks for your general admonition, LondonVicar. Noted along with the generalised 'revisionist' and 'ear-pleaser' rhetoric. I was actually interested in the process on the ground: still unclear -- is it just a clergy-person moving into Holy Trinity or is he accompanied by HTB lay people to help the colony? If the websites are up to date, Canon Isherwood is still the Rector of one of the other churches who might therefore have some anxieties about the future.

Londonvicar - you write: 'the meaning of the word revisionist [is] self-evident: those who seek to revise the faith, according to modern more'. 

Well that's a relief then. I thought you might be calling me a revisionist - but my seeking to renew the faith, like yours, is through a continued, searching reflection on the Word of God. I trust I have no more interest in 'modern more' than you do.

Londonvicar, 'Revisionist' is a label. It is name calling. The word itself is contentless so how can you assume anyone else knows what you mean by it? On this thread I have to presume you are applying to a person with  whom you disagree with on single issue of faith and teaching. But its meaning remains self evident only to those who choose it label those who have a view they disagree with. It invites a wholesale judgement on someone's faith, ministry and character based on one area of disagreement. It therefore usefully defines those 'outside' the world we belong to and consider to be 'true'.  It therefore calls us to no courtesy or respect for those we disgaree with, no need to listen or to understand further... 'Every label is a libel'.

And 'itchy ears'? You move from one generalisation to another. Of course conservative  believers can suffer from this as well er ... 'revisionists'? Hearing what you want to hear - what confirms your own world view and excludes others who will disturb it. There is no security like that .... It is a security that does not require me to meet, question, explore, re-open, be challenged or unsettled. I find plenty of that in conservative religion I have been part of. ('Conservatists' - how would that work as a counter claim?)

The issues being debated here are very important. We are seeking to live in understanding and obedience to God's Word. Thank you for your part in that debate. But may I beg you to find a different way of speaking of those you disagree with. It honours no one.

How those other churches think of a parish invited plant into HT Clapham is, I would gently suggest, irrelevant.

HT Clapham have invited a plant to rejuvenate them.

And that is their business.

They are to be commended for it.

Would that more churches had the courage to do that.

Rather than expect the rest of us to subsidize them massively for often what is an uninspiring work. 

I would have thought that the meaning of the word revisionist would be self-evident:
those who seek to revise the faith, according to modern mores.

Perhaps I should have used the term 'ear pleasers'  instead ? 

2 Timothy 4:3 ~ For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

The Clapham situation seems different from a plant (except in the commercial espionage sense) -- Holy Trinity Clapham has been moving in a generally Evangelical direction for a long time, certainly from before I left the area, which is quite a while ago. I wonder how St Peter's (AC) and St Paul's ('revisionist' by some lights) are feeling about it?

Londonvicar  I am assuming you have a particular 'local' situation in mind. Fair enough. But can I ask what you mean by the word 'revisionist'? It seems to have replaced the word 'liberal' on these threads and it is just as much a label that boxes and pigeon holes. Thanks.

I am sure that the language of revisionism is one of the things which adds to the mutual respect of the various parties involved.

Often opposition can come from local revisionist incumbents. So I know of a large evangelical church wanting to plant.

But revisionists are pushing every other solution (including less  financially viable options), to prevent a morally conservative church doing a plant. 

Don't forget HTB are planting into Clapham at the request of the incumbent.

They are not taking over a redundant parish by permission of the Diocese.

That has not happened for 25 years south of the River. 

(The last one was St Mark's Battersea Rise)

This is what is happening in Clapham: http://www.htb.org.uk/news/article/jago-wynne-and-htb-members-initiative-join-holy-trinity-clapham When evangelicals are operating within their own parishes and provide their own additional funding, bishops seem to co-operate. The problem is failing and redundant churches churches. Here HTB seems to have built up a creative relationship with Richard Chartris. It would begood if this could spread to surrounding dioceses. 

Dave